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  News spot for JW convention - keep barf bags ready

  by days of future passed in

  1. social
  2. current

  i could barely stand listening to it.

  watching the jw pushers at the same time was too much.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgix-5pfwf4.

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  I could barely stand listening to it. Watching the JW pushers at the same time was too much. But this is what they are all about.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGix-5PfWF4
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  Did you wait for something special to happen?

  by stillin in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i pretty much fell apart for about two years while i was looking at the religion through new eyes.

  i prayed my heart out for two years, begging jehovah to clear a certain thing up that the elders and the organization had perpetuated.

  this was supposed to be his spirit-led organization so getting things right in answer to possibly just one person's heartfelt prayers should be an easy task for the sovereign of the universe.

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  days of future passed

  Even tho I was tortured by the WT religion, I believed it was true. Just a truth I couldn't escape. Then my brother in law found out the hard way, that the WT doesn't give a crap about women or children in the organization. They told me. I researched the bible and compared to their literature. Found that they knew what they were teachings were lies. End of belief in that.

  Now I know that "God" as pictured in the bible or elsewhere, doesn't exist. Something/things/energy does exist, but pretty much is just a trouble maker.

  So I don't expect help from an outside source.
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  In Search of An Analogy

  by InjusticeSystem in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope this finds all of you well.

  i'm also hoping some of you might be able to help me with a particular type of de-witnessing strategy that i'm trying to develop more in my own discussions with active family members.

  it seems to me that analogy and metaphor plays a prominent role in the society's teaching (critical thought killing) techniques.

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  days of future passed

  People who use tobacco, are just as addicted to a product as JW's. Tobacco strokes the pleasures centers and makes a crappy situation seem a little better.

  WT gives people an out in regards to death which is big. Have injustice in your life or poor living conditions? WT's brand of religion can solve those problems because God will kill those wicked people and you will get to have the best house and food in paradise. TAX FREE! No need to stress over a loved one dieing, they'll come back.

  Just like a quick smoke, WT teachings can make a crappy situation seem a little better.

  I usually do comparisons.

  • ISIS destroying art because they are pagan - Israelites destroying temples in the promised land.
  • ISIS kidnapping children and raping them everyday because they are "slaves" - Israelites conquering the promised land were allowed to take females that hadn't had sex before and ...took them as wives raped them.
  • ISIS throwing homosexuals off buildings - What God will do to them.

  I told these to a witness at work who was bemoaning the art being destroyed by ISIS. Didn't make her change but I believe bits and pieces add up.

  The bible is a world unto itself. Exposing the actions of God or his followers in a real sense by comparisons makes for one uncomfortable conclusion.
  
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  The Forgery of an Antique God

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  in the world of antiquities, especially that of bronze art, specifically heads, would you be surprised or alarmed to discover that experts estimate about half of all the art sold at auction and donated to museums around the world.... consists of forgeries?while you're digesting the news of corrupt practice, let me raise a rather vexatious collateral issue for your consideration:.

  auction houses keep silent about this fraud.in fact, it has been asserted by investigators specializing in such fraud, it is largely the auction houses submitting these works at auction under fake identities so they cannot be directly held liable for illicit transactions.

  proving they've knowingly done so is too problematic to pass muster.one expert who exposed such a fraud was sued by the auction house and forced toward financial settlement out of court under the libel laws.now why mention all the above in the first place?for one reason only, the same thing occurs in the religious transactions of jehovah's witnesses.the auction house (watchtower corporation) represents its salvific theology as authentic and transacts with potential converts so's they pay for such art (ful fraud) by giving their lives, honor, and sacred service in exchange.when flaws are found, instead of owning up to the illicit enterprise, they seek legal redress or prosecute the accuser through coercive threats of disfellowship.now here is another insidious parallel.

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  I read a great book about a man, that was hired to determine if objects were a forgery. One well known family that produced fakes, would dreg up old roman columns from the ocean and make pieces out of them. Then they would put them back in to "age" them.

  One of the more well known "fakes" that the Getty museum owns, but won't admit to, is the kouros statue. They paid too much money for it.

  

  But I find this quote interesting. From Bruce Mcnall:

  “[As a collector in the 1980s,] any time you find something brand new, it’s sexier,” he said. “Otherwise it’s been around, it’s been seen, and maybe there’s a reason someone else hasn’t bought it…Nobody wants some old broad that’s been around on the town for too long.”

  So the WT found something "new" with their religion that didn't have the trinity, hellfire etc. Certainly different from the big Religions that have been around for a while. One of the compelling reasons the Getty museum bought that statue, was that it's history included a hint of being looted. That made it "authentic" in their minds, since many art objects are acquired by shady means. The WT has presented itself as a religion that has been around hidden but was "chosen" by God and Jesus. Haha Hidden goods.
  
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  Banners for London Protest

  by Farmer Jim1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi folks, i’m attending the london protest at the excel convention in august and am making some banners.

  i’m aiming for short but memorable sentences that will stick in jws minds and also make them laugh a little at their own organisation.. my best so far is ‘this is not a protest, it’s an overlapping protest’.

  has anyone got any ideas for more?.

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  A picture is worth a thousand words

  
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  The biggest news of the year for Mr. and Mrs. Totally ADD

  by Still Totally ADD in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is bigger than christmas and birthdays wrap into one.

  thanks to the australian royal commission our youngest son has woke up.

  we received a e-mail from him tonight where he apologized to us for shunning us all these years, how bad he felt for doing this.

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  Wow! How great!

  I guess you could say the ARC is the ARK that saves people from drowning in the WT.
  
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  Kingdom Hall ... BURGER KING?

  by sparky1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i live in a very rural part of the northeastern united states.

  after 9 years of waiting, the local witnesses are getting their new kingdom hall.

  it is being built on a back road next to a sandpit.

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  stuckinarut2 - The first KH is super ugly. The second looks like a horse barn. The third like someone hired cheap labor to make an addition, so sterile.

  I don't think anyone but a JW would believe what they wrote.
  
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  Everything Happens For A Reason

  by Charles Gillette in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does everything happen for a reason?

  i hear this from so many people without any explanation as how this is so.

  what do you think about this belief?

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  There are two thoughts going on here.

  One is that people are using it to explain "fate" or direct manipulation from some mystical source that provides a "lesson" or makes an example of you. "I was born deformed so that I could learn to be humble or inspire others" etc.
  

  The other is the cause and effect.

  I thought the topic involved the second. My mistake.
  
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  Do You Think Many Jehovah’s Witnesses Truly Believe?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i did for many years even if i had doubts that i would put on the back burner.

  but i thought the majority of witnesses believed, even if they were “weak” in the faith.. obviously, we have elders , pioneers and ministerial servants that are here and they are not true believers.. do you think many jws simply do not believe what they are preaching?

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  My sister said, while I was packing up and leaving her and the crap WT behind, that the GB was a bunch of men with dementia. She knew that 1914 was wrong. Yet, she gets to go to a foreign language group, hangs out with the gossipers and takes little trips with some at the hall and believes she has the "truth". I asker her "if the bible says one thing, and the WT says something else, which one am I supposed to believe?" She said "it doesn't matter what the bible says" An hour later, she called up to say "don't tell anyone I said that"

  She has the most convoluted thinking possible. I don't even think she's honest with herself. So there are those like that. Whatever makes it possible to stay in it, she'll think it up.

  Then there are those that are more like "worldly JW's" They do many things that I would never have done while I was in JW land. So I don't think they are affected as much by "new light" that contradicts previous "light".

  The true believers plod along with the blinders on. They lift there heads up every once in a while and wonder how they ended up in the opposite direction. But it is a habit and a duty to go back to plodding. After all, God is directing the GB and they would never lie.

  Young ones may grow up believing it but are increasingly tempted by all of the easy ways to be "worldly" Phones, computers and fun everyday things school mates do. They get messed up more if they leave the "truth" by having fun but still believe.
  
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  Relative rates of mental illness

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  a report produced 50 years ago by a psychiatrist at a west australian mental health facility ("asylum"l reported that the mental illness rate among jws was 3 times the norm of society.

  other similar studies at the time concluded the rate was much higher.. i wrote to the psychiatrist at the time, asking whether the wts attracted people who were already susceptible to mental illness or if the situation was created after the person became a jw.

  he responded that they did not know.. being myopically focused on the wts at the time, but more importantly belonging to an alternative eschatological apocalyptic body at the time, i did not think more broadly.. i think that today i would like to know:.

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  These are just a few of the people I knew joined the Witnesses.

  One was in high school when the cuban missile crisis was going on. She was terrified. The idea that God would prevent that from ultimately happening/or resurrection if it did, was what she needed. She is very childlike to this day and totally dependent on JW land.

  My mother. Didn't want to grow old, remains childish and petty to this day. Depends on the WT to tell her what to do.

  The real mentally ill/hampered:

  A man who's father was mean, strict and crazy. He definitely has some problems and takes meds. Nice but ...

  A born in who had an JW alcoholic father and a witch of a JW mother(who also had mental problems), has a personality disorder. She wouldn't leave because she believes she is anointed.

  Old sister that I saw at a restaurant. She had a stack of napkins 6 inches high. Eat a bite of food, wipe mouth, throw napkin away. She also complained about others jewelry. The elders try to placate her so why would she leave?

  And I believe that the WT's own twisted logic, encourages others to try it out also. An elder who instead of helping his wife with postpartum depression, convinced the elders to swoop in and take her child from her. Divorced her after he got her to sign away the properties that they both had bought. Dated while still divorced, got demoted when it was found out. Hid his money from the exwife. Hired illegals and transacted real estate by "giving" it to his father so that it would be hard to track it to him. (or something like that) When his sorry ass was finally hauled into court again to up his child support, one of the excuses he couldn't afford to pay more, was because he had bought his new wife a corvette and had to make payments.... I'm not even sure a classification of a sociopath would be correct since he doesn't feel remorse for any of it.

  I also think the way the WT has articles on how the nice witnesses are always supposed to forgive the stubborn, mean, rude, witchy and gossipy people in the hall, teaches them to be a "doormat" and that causes mental distress too.